So What Are You, Exactly?

In reading up on the reaction to the Supreme Court Affirmative Action decisions, I was reminded that I hate the term African-American. Really. I am not from Africa. And not only am I not from Africa, there are a whole lot of other black people who are not from Africa. They’re from the Caribbean. Or other more southerly parts in this hemisphere. It’s supposed to be such a politically correct term, and it’s not. And it’s a mouthful to say.

If anyone wants to explain to me the Hispanic vs. Latino thing, that would be cool. All I’ve found so far is that nobody from this country can agree if one is preferable over the other and that both are blanket terms to describe a whole range of people of Latin American (?) origin (Cubano, Tejano, Chicano, etc.).

I call myself “half-black-half-white.” I’m more likely to lump myself in with black folks, if I’m going to lump at all. I never lump myself in with white folks. Sometimes my definition of myself depends on what point I’m trying to make. Sometimes I’m “only half-black” and sometimes I’m “half-white, too, ya know.” I say that this issue doesn’t bother me or that I don’t worry about it, but I sure do think about it a lot.

I tend to use the blanket term brown to describe everyone that’s not white (er, Anglo?). For example, “There are a lot less brown people in the Twin Cities than there are in Detroit.” Some people seem to have issues with that. I guess I can see how you might, depending on the context. And maybe, to a small extent, depending on whether the speaker is brown or white.

And for the love, you cannot call people Oriental. Things, objects, goods from the region are Oriental. People are Asian.

  • http://www.candygenius.com cindy

    I tried, I really did try to identify with the other Italian American’s but the truth is I’m just a plain old American girl, though I do love a good old batch of speghetti & meatballs anytime. I’m with you, I never lump myself in with any group, well maybe I do with geeky females ;)

  • http://www.srah.net/weblog srah

    I think the Hispanic/Latino has its roots in one or the other of these (one is what I thought, the other is why my Latin Lover corrected me with, and now I can’t remember which is which):

    1) Latin America includes Brazil, which is not a Spanish speaking country, therefore not “Hispanic”. So the term Latino is preferred, so as to include all people from Latin America, including Brazilians, Belizians (?), etc. [I originally wrote here that Portugal was in Latin America - oops]

    2) Hispanic refers to people of Spanish origin, whereas the people of Latin America have varying levels of Spanish blood, and some have none at all.

    3) Latino puts the emphasis on Latin America, whereas Hispanic puts it on Spain.

    Where did number 3 come from? I thought I only had two points. That’s how my brain works. I think Spaniards are, therefore, Hispanic but not Latino.

  • http://www.srah.net/weblog srah

    My family has always described our skin color as “pinky-beige”. Unfortunately, you can’t describe yourself that way in public without sounding FIVE.

  • http://babysgotagun.diaryland.com Jennifyr

    I never find myself calling anybody an African American. That seems just as politically incorrect as the terms black or white.
    I like you, I was reading your blog and facts, and you remind me of my aunt a whole lot, take this as a compliment, because even though she’s young, she’s definately one of the people thats inspired me the most in my life so far.

  • http://www.swirlspice.com Erica

    Okay, Srah, that jives with what I’ve read so far. I saw one article that said that when you ask people outside of this hemisphere, they tend to think that “Hispanic” means “Latino people in the U.S.” and “Latin” is more about Latin The Language.

    And I thought that the word “Hispanic” was created in this country for statistical classification purposes, but then I just read that “Latino” didn’t come into use until the 60s anyway.

    Hrm.

  • http://www.swirlspice.com Erica

    Hi, Jennifyr. And thank you very much. :)

  • http://www.srah.net/weblog srah

    I think I just made it all up, though. :D

  • http://www.srah.net/weblog srah

    I hated during the Olympics years ago when they called that one runner (Donovan Bailey, was it? Either him or whoever he was running against… I always get the UnitedStatesean and the Canadian mixed up) African-American when he was actually something like Jamaican-Canadian.

  • Varinia

    I’m going to weigh in… but first let me say, Erica, feel free to correct me at ANY time if I’m saying something incorrectly. I’ll be honest… I don’t personally like the term African-American…but I’ve been corrected and told that it’s the appropriate term, so I use it. I figure it’s not my place to deem how a person wants to be called, seen etc.

    I don’t typically like to subscribe to a group, myself. I’m a person. Being Mexican (hence Latina) is a just a portion of the whole that I am. But I cannot deny that there are certain issues within the community that speak to me in specific, and not necessarily to Cy or to other people that I know. I think I have to walk the narrow line between not letting my “Latina-ness” encompass the whole of me, and not denying that it’s an important part of who I am.

    Difference between Latino vs Hispanic. The differences explained are already mostly right.
    I will say this personally… I don’t like Hispanic (although I’ve been known to use it) for a variety of reasons… one of them being that it is a made up word, also it does focus on the “spanish” aspect and completely disregards whatever the other factors may be… and I just don’t like the way it sounds!! It’s just not “pretty”!! lol No, but really… Latina… well, I come from a Latin American country… it just makes sense to me.

    anywho… I rambled on and didn’t really make much of a point…but I wanted to add my .02 for whatever they were worth.

  • http://kaetchen.diaryland.com Kaetchen

    The whole Hispanic/Latino thing is based on their being peoples in the Americas who are genetically related to the mostly white-skinned Spanish conquerers (thus Hispanic), but not to the native occupants. Strictly speaking, somebody who’s Latina/o is supposed to be descended from a Spaniard from southern Spain, where the culture and peoples are different. Then there’s Chicana/o and Tejana/o, which are fairly self-explanatory.

    One of my college roomates had a black American father and a Puerto Rican mom. She was raised in PR, so considered herself PR. It caused her no end of grief that people looked at her skin and hair, then assumed “African-American”.

    Would it really kill us to just ask someone, ‘hey, what’s your background’ and be genuinely interested in the answer?

  • http://liminalmusings.blogspot.com/ Deirdre

    I once knew someone from Argentina who would say that she was Spanish although she had not a drop of Spanish blood. One set of grandparents was from Italy and the other was from Germany (hmmm…). We tried to convince that she spoke Spanish but was not actually Spanish to no avail.

    Personally, I hate the term “Anglo.” That was just one small warring Germanic tribe among many that made its way into Britain. I’d rather go with “honkey” than Anglo.

  • http://www.rantorama.com/weblog.php BeerMary

    One will never find a term to say that won’t offend SOMEONE.

    Seriously, I don’t know why people get their panties twisted about some things.

    Frankly, if I make it one day without someone referring me as a “bitch”, I’m happy! ;-)

  • http://www.trueself.org Michelle

    I ALWAYS correct people when they say Oriental even if they are total strangers, it just bugs me for some reason. I have referred to my husband as “the black guy” for years and he calls me “the white girl.” Oh and in other matters mentioned here..Drew Barrymore really should make out with me!

  • http://www.swirlspice.com Erica

    Get in line, sista!

  • http://swerlspice.blogspot.com Em

    My two cents’ worth of information: “Hispanic” is considered an ethnicity, not a race by the US Census Bureau. Those considered races are: black, white, Asian/Pacific Islander/etc., and American Native/Eskimo/Aluet/etc. There are demarcations under black and white for of and not of Hispanic origin, but there are so many numbers that it’s hard to know what means what after a while. So for all the info gathered by the Census, you won’t find anything Hispanic, even though Hispanics (or whatever) are now the largest minority group.

    It confuses me and frustrates me, at least on the whole Census thing because for as much talking about Hispanics being the largest minority group and for as important as it’s supposed to be, they could at least be classified under all the general statistical profiles gathered by our illustrious government.

    (It also frustrates me because I had to do a project on Hispanics and arrests for a criminal justice class I took and not one single federal governmental body had statistics on Hispanic/Latino arrests. )